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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: SAS build.....Finally! Reply with quote

I had a pretty productive (actually destructive Twisted Evil ) weekend, so I figured I'd get a thread started. I managed to remove all of the bolt-on front suspension this afternoon.


I've gotten pretty good at taking it apart Razz

I've got just about all the parts, just have to put them together Wink Here's the plan:
Axles are rebuilt and ready to go
-Chevy kingpin D60 front w/ 5.13's
-14BFF w/ disk brakes, probably welded
-Front SOA with shackles forward, BDS YJ front springs
-Rear SOA with stock springs
-Hi-steer of some sort once I see what the clearances look like
-I picked up a set of used 38.5x11 Boggers with plenty of tread left

The beginning of my front cross member

2x4x3/16 tube, cut to match the contour of the frame




2x2x3/16 tube in the center. It will be plated on the sides to the factory bumper mounts, and have two or three supports across the middle. I've got all the pieces cut for the supports, ready to tack on, and I ran out of gas for the welder Rolling Eyes. I hope to have the springs hung next weekend. I really want to get it rolling, and take it to a friends who has a plasma to take all those brackets off. That looks like a lot of work.


I'm shooting to have it trail worthy for April. I'll keep this thread updated with the progress.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats tight man good work
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great start sounds like you have got it under control. I always like watching a complete build up like this. Keep us posted with lots of pictures.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work, can't wait to see it finished. About the only thing Isuzu left on it is the engine now Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andre, great start!

Are those 5.13's going to be enough gearing to spin those 38's? I thought you'd go with something just a little taller??? Just curious.

Looks like lots of fun.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am always amazed at what people do on this board...AWESOME and Andre PLEASE keep the pics coming....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D60 and 38's? holy cow - i didn't think you were going THAT big!

are you putting a D60 in the rear too?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's just skipping the D44 part where most people start with 35s' and D44's and end up wanting more. I like his decision to go big the first time. Twisted Evil

I'd say 5.13's and the low gearing he's got in his t-case (4:1), he'll be just fine.

I'm running 34's and 4.77's. And I'm still driving mine on the street. His is now pretty much a trail pig.

Nice work, keep the pictures coming.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RodeoRed wrote:
D60 and 38's? holy cow - i didn't think you were going THAT big!

are you putting a D60 in the rear too?


The rear is getting a 14-bolt full-floater with a disk brake conversion.

I decided I wanted to go with full width axles for stability, and was originally planning on a D44 up front. I wanted to run atleast 37's which would mean upgrading the shafts and u-joints in a D44, and still being close to the reliable limit of that axle. For probably less than it would have cost me to re-build, re-gear, and upgrade a set of 3/4-ton axles, I found these, already geared. And they were even somewhat local. I had to replace a few bearings and seals in the front axle, but other than that, they were all ready.

I wasn't necessarily looking for boggers either Rolling Eyes . I just didn't want to pay for brand new tires and rims. I found a set of 4-38.5x11x16's on black rockcrawler rims for a decent price locally. I'll probably end up cutting them eventually, but I think they will work out well.

I just don't like breaking things, and I didn't want to be wanting to upgrade shortly after finishing, so I'm going big right out of the box Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigpoppax2 wrote:
His is now pretty much a trail pig.

Joe


Hey, I resemble that remark Razz

You think Stephanie won't be coveting this for her daily driver. Hmmm.... maybe I could slap some of her business stickers on it and make it a company vehicle Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so I'm going big right out of the box


i always say anything worth doing is worth doing properly!!!

keep the pics coming....can't wait to see it
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are those 5.13's going to be enough gearing to spin those 38's? I thought you'd go with something just a little taller??? Just curious.


Along the lines of what Joe said, this should be fine for trail purposes. 5.13's are also about as low as you can go in a 14-bolt axle. They just did a first run of 5.38's for the 14-bolt, but they are brand new, and there are some production issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good t0o finally see this thread..................... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good work Andre. Now break out the torch and lets see some framerail, ooh lah lah. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Andre if you put business stickers on it then you can right it off as a business expense. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will fully expect some new pictures after this weekend.

I'll be posting some.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good weekend so far. Got the front cross member finished up






I just had to try one on for size Twisted Evil


I'm going to love this Razz

I pulled the T-case, and I'm going to swap the front output to the stock yoke, and get it ready to re-install. I just need to pull the cross member for final welding, and I'm waiting on new spring hangers.

Hopefully more tomorrow Cool

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Man, those make your 33's look tiny Laughing This thing is going to be unstopable Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a similar set up when I junked the stock 4x4 running gear in my 1970 International Harvester Travellall. I foung the GM running gear in a rusted out mid 80's Suburban. I used the Dana 44's in the front with the corporate 14 floater in the rear. When I did mine I also used the stock GM stearing gear to eliminate the bump steer. The rear also had to have the spring perches moved to work with the difference in frame widths. I use this beast to pull a 6 horse trailer, and have never found it to be lacking.
Your width of the axles will be a problem unless you work with the back spacing of your rims. Those 60 front ends unless they are open knuckle do not turn well.
You are a creative wheeler and a good welder, GEG
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andre - I'm lovin' the progress report!

(Oh, and by the way... YOU SUCK! Razz )



Starchild wrote:
I found a set of 4-38.5x11x16's on black rockcrawler rims for a decent price locally. I'll probably end up cutting them eventually

You could always ask Doug to bring his groover, and then we could all take turns cutting your tread blocks while sitting around the campfire......

Hmmmm - on second thought... Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing


Cheers!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the compliments!

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Your width of the axles will be a problem unless you work with the back spacing of your rims. Those 60 front ends unless they are open knuckle do not turn well.


It might be less than ideal steering, but I think the stability will more than make up for it. The wheels are 16x8's w/ 4.25" BS, with only 11" wide tires, so they shouldn't stick out too far.



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You could always ask Doug to bring his groover, and then we could all take turns cutting your tread blocks while sitting around the campfire......


I thought about that, but I don't know if the tires will be sitting still long enough Razz

Couldn't hurt to bring it. We might get antsy Wink

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Starchild wrote:
Couldn't hurt to bring it. We might get antsy Wink

It could prove interesting (and fun) -- You oughta see Doug's "Blair Witch" tires! Laughing Laughing Laughing


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If we don't groove Andre's, I'll throw mine onto the "chopping block" for campfire mods in Uwharrie - he has the siping blade as well as the grooving blade, right?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

noob question, what does SAS stand for?
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5speed wrote:
noob question, what does SAS stand for?


Solid axle swap Cool
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